This is actually another new Sig p320 RX, besides the 2 sig blow outs last match[emoji13]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. It has nothing to do with Glock. But this time, the sound bites used were different. 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. Here is a movie that he filmed 40 years ago and he was still raking it in. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. We'll see what happens now. Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. Fired case is extracted about a quarter of an inch. The new Tauruses have a good rep, far better then the P320 or P365. I chalk it up to a piece of brass that was probably already significantly compromised. He holds a masters degree in public administration from Columbia University. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. For the moron Neanderthals of the Far Right who will scream its the operators fault and we do not give a shit about marketing more safer designed weapons, if such idiotic polices were followed for other consumer goods today we would not have safety glass, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties, child proof medicine caps and chemical bottles, back up cameras, kick back muzzles on chain saws and the list goes on and on. Enough to recall pretty much all of Oklahoma state troopers and reissue a new one. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! Not sure if the FTE is related to the feeding problems people see with certain ammo, but check out this link, it MAY be what you need to see. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. This part is a high-quality replacement internal extractor for specific versions of the P220 and most X5 models. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. I've heard a couple of cases of this. never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. He also said it only took like 10 days to get the gun back. Seems a bit apologetic to me. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. Another possible cause is using light loads where the slide isn't cycling far enough to hit the ejector. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). Jan 2019. Fine. Ive seen similar situations at our Municipal range. Pasted as rich text. At least nine drops in, none had discharged. A full-length external extractor. Sig made a subtle change to the length of the extractor spring, and the geometry of the extractor claw. Post again when you buy a real gun that you can defend yourself with. Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. By The new Kirk does suck. Dang, I thought my 320 was the only one that swaged a belt on 9mm cases! If you aggressively load a too-long mag into the pistol that doesn't hard-stop on the grip frame, this WILL happen. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. That a shirt tail or jacket cinch cord slips into a holster. The main difference is that the M&P never had the problem the p320 did with trigger mass. All with VV310. jimmy1256 P320 stock mag is steel, not great to run steel casings through it. They didnt have to, but did. I dont own a P320. Thats SIGs term for a recall. No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. No change. Did you try your other FCU with the 9F kit? When I got it back it was ammo fussy for about 600 rounds. Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. Includes: -Extractor-Extractor Pin-Extractor spring When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. Thats the same. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! Possible causes of that: Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. Because of this a case that is weakened has the room to fail whereas the same case in a supported chamber most likely would have survived. Colors: SATIN ROSE | Matte TiCN. It did not originally have this. Really? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. You should always use a real holster, or carry it condition 3 or 4 if its off-body. That's good without those, you'll never get any substantial number of views / subs on youtube. The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? SATIN GOLD | Matte TiN. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. My gun just went off! COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. The company also recently successfully blocked a proposed class action lawsuit that centered on financial harm for P320 owners. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. In stock. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). Folks disagree on brands. Where is this lightning striking twice? Sometimes it would do the same as the above but it was under the extractor like it should be. Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. It's been my EDC since that time and has been 100% reliable. New to the forum from the great state of Georgia! Funny how that works. Only problem I ever had with my 320 compact was a chipped extractor. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. Thanks. And N310 is yet faster burning powder, where you are guaranteed higher peak pressure for the same velocity with the same bullet at the same OAL, and 165gr is yet a heavier bullet, where you get greater pressure increases per tenth of a grain of powder, so less forgiving. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. If not sorry and GL! That incident, along with another alleged unintended discharge involving a Milwaukee officer, prompted the department to recently announce it intends to take the P320 out of service for its officers. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. More common is the incorrect reassembly, for those who have removed the plunger, spring or claw. What a wonderful parody of a MAC cultist! I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. You're never supposed to admit to shooting reloaded ammo when contacting customer service! A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything. But I can't depend on it for competition the way it is, so I guess that's what I'm going to have to do. Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. Again the Far Right Stupidity and hypocrisy is infinite. The Sig Sauer P320 Extractor is a Factory OEM Sig Sauer part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. PDs are dropping them from contracts. At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. The extractor is marked "042; 00". Theres a couple of possibilities. This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. It has worked flawlessly. The linkage isnt, but the way the striker leg and sear face mate up, the two materials being MIM castings, the small camming action, etc. Great job, this threat needed some levity! Powered by Invision Community. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. I continue to bet my life on them. To make the striker leg pull off of the sear, you would have to impart a lot of rearward momentum and stop it suddenly. The new trigger mechanism is less likely to fire without the trigger being pulled, making the P320 much safer to use. I'll up date this when I can, and if you have any ideas please let me know. It's bad enoughso much case is hanging out beyond the chamber face to headspace just below flush with the hood. Before the guide rod/spring change we were having a lot of stove pipes. Read the entire article to find out! Repeat Failure To Eject malfunctions with a Sig P320 .40 destroy my end of year competition scores:/ Life's too short to be working a gun that's working against. For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.. Got a bad batch of WW ammo or Sound familiar? S Stiven Registered Joined Dec 25, 2020 10 Posts As for Seals they have their own contract with Glock but can carry anything they want. Stoppage occurs any where from the 3rd round to the 10th round. This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! I am still waiting for the UPS man (not from the devil but from Sig) I will not hold my breath. The new suit is the latest in a string of similar cases that alleges Sig Sauers popular P320 striker-fired pistol has a design flaw that has led to unintentional discharges of the weapon, often while still holstered. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. The nose of the extractor does appear to be peened slightly, but this may be normal. Powered by Invision Community. Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? Thats fine. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. She claims that her holstered P320 pistol went off while she was carrying it in her purse. The most common problems with the SIG P320 X5 Legion are recoil spring issue, slide locking/FTE due to lack of lube, battery blowing out issues and outgassing issues. P320 Sear Group Housing Assembly. I have had some self induced issues with feel since trying to go full length guide rod, 15# 1911 spring and Apex trigger. All chasing that pot of gold at the end of litigation.. Not that big of a stretch when considering the lawyers beating the bushs for clients to add to the lawsuits, and the fact many of them will lose their jobs if its proven to NOT be the gun, but instead negligence on their part. Is there any major military anywhere that ever issued one of their guns? It might only take a little bridging in the powder drop so that a cartridge gets an extra .2gr. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. While you are at it swap extractor springs and rods as well. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. 3) If the sear fails, there is the drop safety in the way of the striker. Still, it's incumbent on us to follow up our reviews with some of the reported problems and legal actions affecting the P320. I sold that pistol when I got it back. I'm not sure how long it is really going to take. A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. It was not a double charge, but it did blow out the extractor. Got my P320 in March 2015 so it was one of the earlier ones. No, it doesnt. New Sig factory extractor parts are on their way to replace what I have in the gun. USA. NH food pantries expect rise in demand as SNAP benefits drop, Saint-Marc, tapped as federal magistrate judge, poised to make history in NH, NH AGs pursuit of hate group marks a turning point in officials response to extremism, Over 2 million more electric vehicles estimated in New England over next decade. No problems there. Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. Now when you lose your grip on lawn mowers or snow blowers they will not keep travelling foreword all by themselves. The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. My friend's 320 rx pictures below, out of battery firing, barrel appears to be short chambered, not enough case supportsee pix belowSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. It that does not work, I will either send it back to Sig or ditch the gun and go back to Glock or Smith & Wesson for a striker fired handgun. Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. Still waiting. Good videos, BTW very thorough; and unlike most youtube videos, it provides sensible, level-headed commentary from someone who actually shoots their pistol instead of trying to use it to prove how mall ninja they can be. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. I purchased my first and so far only Sig back in December of 2019, A P320 Carry certified pre-owned. Thanks, Jim. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? Any Armorer . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM Just ordered all new parts from Top Gun Supply. They habitually use their customers as the product testers by selling what are essentially prototypes while quietly implementing rolling revisions. A federal agent in Delaware introduced a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer this year. Theres still the P938 extractors snapping they refuse to acknowledge. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. The truth is the absolute WORST semi-autos that Sig, H&K, Walther, Beretta or Glock makes today are more reliable than the best semi-autos made 40 years ago, by far. Yaaay! P320 Extractor Design Change. The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. Zimmerman said he is confident his plaintiffs will prevail in the lawsuit filed this week. 2. Time will tell if no. 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